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[DaveMurphy]

Cotto showed me that he's still deserving of being in the P4P Top Ten, I really expected Floyd's shots to have more effect than they did, and he penetrated Floyd's legendary defense more frequently than I thought he could. Comparisons to Manny's performance/stoppage of Cotto might be slightly effected by Floyd's facing him at 154 instead of the 145 catchweight that Manny insisted on, and also the 10 ounce gloves instead of the 8 ouncers that Manny used, but then Floyd was also fighting a Manny who wasn't undefeated (like Manny fought) and who had suffered two beatings from Pac and Margo 1. In the ongoing PR war between the two top fighters in the world, I think Floyd is going to have a hard time pointing to this as a victory. On the otherhand, I'm picking a Bradley upset in June, so I'm not sure it will matter.

Bottomline is Floyd Mayweather has looked better, and while it was still a good performance, I think PBF has probably peaked and is on the downside a bit.

[fightscore]

how did you score it mate , my danm comp completely crash as cotto was going to ring , fecking got up at 3.30 to watch it and now in middle of 12 hr shift lol

[NateJR]

I scored it 116-112 for Floyd, thought 2 of those rounds I gave Cotto could have gone either way.

It was a more competitive fight than I expected, I kind of figured Cotto would have his moments but thought they would come earlier in the fight and then Floyd would take over as the fight progressed. But it was Floyd that came out strong, took most of the early rounds then mid. fight it seemed as if Mayweather was taking rounds off, letting Cotto get him on the ropes where Cotto was landing some nice shots that you just don't see Floyd get hit with normally. Cotto also landed some well timed jabs that snapped Floyd heads back on numerous occasions. Then Mayweather came on strong in the championship rounds, even had Cotto a little staggered in the 12th. I enjoyed this fight a lot, Cotto's size was def. a factor considering the way he could impose himself physically against Floyd, something we've only seen 2 other times in Floyds career (Against Castillo and ODLH). But IMO people should be happy with that fight and feel they got their moneys worth, Floyd once against showed up to fight (as I predicted), took some good shots for his troubles but we got to see Floyd put punches together and see how he reacted to a little adversity. I wouldn't call it a big win for Floyd because the expectations for him against Cotto were really, really high. To most the only way Floyd truly won this fight is if he knocked Cotto out or completely dominated him for 12 rounds. Def. not Floyds best performance, he looked a little vulnerable at times and then in other parts of the fight he looked brilliant (I do think Floyd has lost a step and is on the decline).. Comparing Floyds win over Cotto to Pacquiaos win over Cotto, I must say I was a bit more impressed with Pacquiaos win, but I also have to take the weight and Cottos trainer situation into consideration.. But you could also look at it this way, what was less impressive, Floyds performance against Cotto or Pacquiaos performance against Marquez?

Good fight none the less, had me on my toes got some good action in the Co-main event and main event. It was hard to watch old Mosley get beat and battered by Alvarez, Mosley once against showed the heart of a champion but I really hope he retires after this he's just not able to hang with these young guns anymore. But Alvarez landed some huge shots on Shane, I can't believe the shots Shane took in that fight like I said it was even hard to watch at times, Shane looked like a damn bobble head. Good weekend of boxing, hope we can have a few more weekends like this in 2012.

[Doc]

This was a really good fight night for boxing fans... I also scored it 116-112 ... with a couple of the rounds going to Cotto capable of going either way... I thought Floyd was the dominate fighter through out the fight. Cotto showed up.. even made some noise.. but it was clear who the better fighter was... Or at least to some.. I hear that some Cotto fans are crying robbery. I personally don't see how.. There wasn't to many Floyd rounds that could of went for Cotto. I can't say the say about Cotto rounds..

I was saddened to see Cotto dart out of the ring like that... Maybe he did have to go pee, I don't know... but it looks like he punked out on us..

Alverez fought well, and Mosely did not make it easy on him. Mosely used his craftiness and gave Alverez a decent fight. He was beat up pretty good, but I think Alverez got a lot out of that fight.

[NateJR]

This was a really good fight night for boxing fans... I also scored it 116-112 ... with a couple of the rounds going to Cotto capable of going either way... I thought Floyd was the dominate fighter through out the fight. Cotto showed up.. even made some noise.. but it was clear who the better fighter was... Or at least to some.. I hear that some Cotto fans are crying robbery. I personally don't see how.. There wasn't to many Floyd rounds that could of went for Cotto. I can't say the say about Cotto rounds..

I was saddened to see Cotto dart out of the ring like that... Maybe he did have to go pee, I don't know... but it looks like he punked out on us..

Alverez fought well, and Mosely did not make it easy on him. Mosely used his craftiness and gave Alverez a decent fight. He was beat up pretty good, but I think Alverez got a lot out of that fight.

I agree 100%, no way Cotto was robbed, the right man won the fight. Cotto had a good showing for himself and showed he's not a washed up fighter that's been in too many wars. I'd like to see Cotto in there with someone like Ortiz or Alvarez his next time out, I think Cotto has a few more good fights in him and he could win both of those fights. I kind of expected Floyds punches to hurt Cotto a little bit more and thought Floyd had Cotto out on his feet in the 12th and if he really pushed it he could have got the stoppage, but that's expected from Floyd he doesn't always go for the kill when he has his opponents hurt. But we got to see how Floyd reacted to adversity and I thought he answered the question after taking some good shots from Cotto mid fight and then coming on strong in the last few rounds.

[JohnnyGaetano]

Cotto showed me that he's still deserving of being in the P4P Top Ten, I really expected Floyd's shots to have more effect than they did, and he penetrated Floyd's legendary defense more frequently than I thought he could. Comparisons to Manny's performance/stoppage of Cotto might be slightly effected by Floyd's facing him at 154 instead of the 145 catchweight that Manny insisted on, and also the 10 ounce gloves instead of the 8 ouncers that Manny used, but then Floyd was also fighting a Manny who wasn't undefeated (like Manny fought) and who had suffered two beatings from Pac and Margo 1. In the ongoing PR war between the two top fighters in the world, I think Floyd is going to have a hard time pointing to this as a victory. On the otherhand, I'm picking a Bradley upset in June, so I'm not sure it will matter.

Bottomline is Floyd Mayweather has looked better, and while it was still a good performance, I think PBF has probably peaked and is on the downside a bit.

I only caught the last 7 rounds, giving Cotto 3 of those rounds. From what I saw, Mayweather may be a little more vulnerable because it appears he may have lost some speed and reflexes may be slower. That being said, he stayed in there with a naturally bigger, stronger fighter so, even if Floyd is not one of your favorites, you have to give him respect for showing his toughness.

[banky]

115-113 may. I gave some of the closer rounds to the aggressor. May just landed to many hard shots. I really think someone should just punch mays left shoulder til he can't pick that ARM up. Fighters w strong left hands should be avoided by may. Now, more than ever, I feel money would lose to pac. That said, good performance by May.

[DaveMurphy]

how did you score it mate , my danm comp completely crash as cotto was going to ring , fecking got up at 3.30 to watch it and now in middle of 12 hr shift lol

FS-
Here's my Card, and also the Fightjudge Majority Card, where my fellow scorers weren't quite as sympathetic to Cotto as I was:

[mh2365]

entertaining one-sided fight, 3 rounds was probably the most you could have given Cotto and that is only if you give him the 11th ... the 5th round wasn't even close, not sure what Harold Lederman saw ... watch it again

Cotto landed the jab fairly consistently but that was it, nothing else he threw really landed ... glad the judges were scoring it based on hatred or the crowds response when Cotto threw and missed.

One thing is for sure, someone needs to not let Mosley in the ring again, that beating was pretty brutal

[NateJR]

entertaining one-sided fight, 3 rounds was probably the most you could have given Cotto and that is only if you give him the 11th ... the 5th round wasn't even close, not sure what Harold Lederman saw ... watch it again

Cotto landed the jab fairly consistently but that was it, nothing else he threw really landed ... glad the judges were scoring it based on hatred or the crowds response when Cotto threw and missed.

One thing is for sure, someone needs to not let Mosley in the ring again, that beating was pretty brutal

I think there were 4 rounds you could have given to Cotto.. the 6th and 8th were the 2 that he clearly won, need to watch it again but there were 2 other close rounds that I thought could have gone either way.. But IMO if you gave Cotto more than 4 rounds you weren't scoring with out bias. It was still a competitive fight though, I think the official scores were pretty accurate but it didn't really tell the story on how competitive Cotto made the fight because he had his moments in just about every round, just did do as much in most of them.

[Doc]

I only caught the last 7 rounds, giving Cotto 3 of those rounds. From what I saw, Mayweather may be a little more vulnerable because it appears he may have lost some speed and reflexes may be slower. That being said, he stayed in there with a naturally bigger, stronger fighter so, even if Floyd is not one of your favorites, you have to give him respect for showing his toughness.

I don't know if Floyd has lost a step... maybe he has, but Cotto is a great fighter.. He should be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Cotto did a good job at cutting him off. Though he lost. He did a lot of things right. No shame in his lost.. regroup and fight again.

[2lefts]

I scored it 116-112. I gave 1-3-6 and 8 to Cotto. Cotto fared better in that aspect than I expected. One of those rounds were very close but I prefer forward movement, intiation and aggression when I can't see a clear round winner.
I do not want to see but a few more fights come his way. Aside from the Pac-Bradley winner and Khan there is not really much else worth doing.

[Drew-T(Satrianifan)]

Do you guys think that Floyd really hurt his hand? I read that rumors were he hurt it in sparring-and Ellerber denied it. ESPN stated PBF talked as if he had a bit of a cold. If true, then that makes this win all the more fantastic. Plus he fought Cotto at Cotto's best weight and not a catchweight.




[JohnnyGaetano]

Do you guys think that Floyd really hurt his hand? I read that rumors were he hurt it in sparring-and Ellerber denied it. ESPN stated PBF talked as if he had a bit of a cold. If true, then that makes this win all the more fantastic. Plus he fought Cotto at Cotto's best weight and not a catchweight.




Says alot for Floyd's faith in his ability that he doesnt ask for catchweights. Guys like Duran and Arguello never asked for catchweights, neither did Emile Griffith. Kudos to Floyd.

[Joel Sebastianelli]

For a brief period of time, I leaned toward Pacquiao as the best in the sport. But now, I am totally on board with Floyd Mayweather as not just the best now, but one of the best ever. Despite all Manny Pacquiao has done in his illustrious career, he cannot be considered the best fighter of this era without beating Floyd. He adjusts and elevates his game when faced with a challenge like very few fighters I’ve ever seen in any division, past or present. I would say that Castillo, Hatton, and Cotto are the three that best exemplify that. He’s a legend, and undoubtedly the best fighter in the world. The only way that I think Floyd can be beat is if he mentally beats himself, and there’s no way that happens. The reason he is so successful is because he fights such a smart fight. His boxing IQ is off the charts.

[DaveMurphy]

For a brief period of time, I leaned toward Pacquiao as the best in the sport. But now, I am totally on board with Floyd Mayweather as not just the best now, but one of the best ever. Despite all Manny Pacquiao has done in his illustrious career, he cannot be considered the best fighter of this era without beating Floyd. He adjusts and elevates his game when faced with a challenge like very few fighters I’ve ever seen in any division, past or present. I would say that Castillo, Hatton, and Cotto are the three that best exemplify that. He’s a legend, and undoubtedly the best fighter in the world. The only way that I think Floyd can be beat is if he mentally beats himself, and there’s no way that happens. The reason he is so successful is because he fights such a smart fight. His boxing IQ is off the charts.

Joel-
I think a lot of that is just the nature of the game and how we tend to elevate "thinking fighters" over the "brawlers" when making All Time Lists. A Tyson is going to generate a lot of excitement with the KO's, but over the course of time a Larry Holmes or a Lennox Lewis is going to rise in stature, while the brutal knockout artists tend to get their acclaim immediately and don't really get the post-career boost. One example that comes to mind is Carlos Zarate, one of the greatest knockout punchers of all time, but one who's ATG status has kind of remained as it was when he retired and not grown over time.

[2lefts]

I can not argue against Mayweather being a great. I can not argue against Pacquiao being a great. To say one is greater than the other at this point is sheer debate. You can not knock one for not fighting the other and hold it against only one fighter. They need to fight each other, period. Both have accompished tons in the sport and both will probably leave a sour note on the end of their resumes because they did not fight.

[marvdave]

wholly crap!! Banky scored it for MW??? Quick, look outside, flying elephants

[DaveMurphy]

wholly crap!! Banky scored it for MW??? Quick, look outside, flying elephants

LOL!!! When I saw that, I held my breath and waited, I had thought that was one of the signs of the apocalypse

[marvdave]

LOL!!! When I saw that, I held my breath and waited, I had thought that was one of the signs of the apocalypse

as we wait for for Banky's, "i just call them as I see them post" LOL